[Facil] [Fwd: Re: [copyleft_attitude] [Fwd: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM]]

Valerie Dagrain vdagrain at free.fr
Ven 24 Mar 10:49:27 EST 2006 

Bonjour,

Marc pourrais-tu *résumer le contexte* pour que les personnes sur le 
forum découvrent le sujet.
De plus pourrais-tu nous mettre des liens ou "paragraphes" de texte qui 
nous permettent de situer les éléments et enjeux cités.

La base de la communication est de fournir les éléments pour comprendre.

marco a écrit :
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> Bonjour à tous.
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> Sujet du jour : Lessig est il un supo de Satan ou le logiques des
> "Creatives Commons" est elle en train de d'être découverte par ceux qui
> faisaient des rêves en rose ?
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> :)
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> Marco
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> Sujet:
> Re: [copyleft_attitude] [Fwd: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM]
> Expéditeur:
> Isabelle Vodjdani <vodjdani.isabelle at numericable.fr>
> Date:
> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:11:35 +0100
> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> Antoine a écrit :
> 
>> Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 à 14:22 +0100, antoine moreau a écrit :
>>  
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>>> Nous vivons des temps de confusions extrêmes.
>>>   
>>
>>
>> Le plus intriguant est de mettre cette position de Lessig en perspective
>> avec la clause anti-DRM des Creative Commons.
>>
>> Amicalement
>>
>> Antoine.
>>  
>>
> Oui, et ses déclarations anti-DRM d'il y a à peine quelques mois :
> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5676
> 
> Mais il est vrai que sa position anti-DRM était plus technique 
> qu'éthique...
> 
> Et puis CC n'est pas à une révision près de ses contrats, ils ont bien 
> introduit dans CC by-sa 2.5 (la plus "libre" des licences) le droit 
> exclusif, pour les musiciens et interprètes ou leur société d'auteur, de 
> toucher des royalties sur la distribution.
> 
> Isabelle
> 
> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>> antoine
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Message original --------
>>> Sujet: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM
>>> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:23:11 -0500
>>> De: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
>>> Répondre à: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
>>> Pour: Nettime <nettime at bbs.thing.net>
>>>
>>> It's fun to think about possible contexts where open-source means
>>> could be used to justify closed ends.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> T
>>>   
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> Sujet:
> Re: [copyleft_attitude] [Fwd: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM]
> Expéditeur:
> Antoine <antoine at pitrou.net>
> Date:
> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:58:35 +0100
> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> 
> Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 à 14:22 +0100, antoine moreau a écrit :
> 
>>Nous vivons des temps de confusions extrêmes.
> 
> 
> Le plus intriguant est de mettre cette position de Lessig en perspective
> avec la clause anti-DRM des Creative Commons.
> 
> Amicalement
> 
> Antoine.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>antoine
>>
>>
>>-------- Message original --------
>>Sujet: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM
>>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:23:11 -0500
>>De: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
>>Répondre à: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
>>Pour: Nettime <nettime at bbs.thing.net>
>>
>>It's fun to think about possible contexts where open-source means
>>could be used to justify closed ends.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>T
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> Sujet:
> [copyleft_attitude] [Fwd: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM]
> Expéditeur:
> antoine moreau <antoine at artlibre.org>
> Date:
> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:22:35 +0100
> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> Destinataire:
> copyleft_attitude at april.org
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> 
> Nous vivons des temps de confusions extrêmes.
> 
> 
> antoine
> 
> 
> -------- Message original --------
> Sujet: <nettime> Lessig endorses DRM
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:23:11 -0500
> De: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
> Répondre à: t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com>
> Pour: Nettime <nettime at bbs.thing.net>
> 
> It's fun to think about possible contexts where open-source means
> could be used to justify closed ends.
> 
> Cheers,
> T
> 
> < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/lessig_blesses_drm/ >
> 
> Lessig blesses DRM
> 
> It's open source DRM, so it's good. Huh?
> 
>    By [55]Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
>    Published Friday 24th March 2006 06:10 GMT
> 
> 
>    If you arrive for work today and discover a grisly pool of brain
>    tissue and bone fragments where a colleague used to sit, we may have
>    the explanation right here.
> 
>    For in a move that risks causing [57]Scanners-style head explosions
>    across the land, Professor Lawrence Lessig has endorsed DRM.
>    [58]Click Here
> 
>    Not just any old digital rights management, but Sun's open source DRM
>    initiative, the [59]Open Media Commons.
> 
>    "In a world where DRM has become ubiquitous, we need to ensure that
>    the ecology for creativity is bolstered, not stifled, by technology,".
>    says Lessig - or [60]somebody purporting to be Lessig.
> 
>    "We applaud Sun's efforts to rally the community around the
>    development of open-source, royalty-free DRM standards that support
>    'fair use' and that don't block the development of Creative Commons
>    ideals," says Lessig.
> 
>    Debian coder and software freedom campaigner Benjamin Mako Hill
>    [61]finds this strange. "Lessig's position seems to be that DRM is bad
>    and should not exist. But in a world where it does exist, he thinks
>    that not-quite-so-bad DRM is better than the alternatives. Is that the
>    sort of message we want to be sending?," he writes.
> 
>    "The fact that the software is 'open source' is hardly good enough if
>    the purpose of the software is to take away users freedom - in
>    precisely the way that DRM does."
> 
>    Presumably, Lessig's position is that the development process has
>    sanctified the evil. But others may take the view that a noose is a
>    noose is a noose. As Mako points out, Lessig sits on the board of the
>    Electronic Frontier Foundation - [62]which has already come out
>    against Sun's OMC - and the Free Software Foundation. Whose position
>    on software freedom should be clear enough .
> 
>    Lessig thinking
> 
>    "Hmm. Why won't this song play?" - Professor Lawrence Lessig
> 
>    Maybe it's all a terrible mix up. Or maybe ... maybe it's a really bad
>    dream!
> 
>    We'll certainly be exploring this issue tomorrow with both Sun
>    Microsystems and the Great Man (one of these parties is speaking to us
>    - while the other is sulking at us - and you can guess which one is
>    which) tomorrow.
> 
>    But given the health risks this news poses, we felt it best to warn
>    you without delay. ®
> 
> References
> 
> <...>
>   55.
> http://forms.theregister.co.uk/mail_author/?story_url=/2006/03/24/lessig_blesses_drm/
>   57. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081455/
>   58. http://sel.as-eu.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&dat=357969&opt=0&rdm=1034
>   59.
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/lessig_blesses_drm/www.openmediacommons.org
>   60. http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20060322062359676
>   61. http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/ip/20060323-00.html
>   62. http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_08.php#003929
> <...>
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