[MLUG] Install fest, need help, thanks!

Tue Dec 9 10:04:49 EST 2008

I'm going to play devils advocate here.  

1. Upgrading.  Last time I checked, Linux users don't control when a new 
version of the kernel or their favourite distribution comes out.
1.1  Same could be said of Linux, but the more frequent update schedule 
makes it less apparent.  (Ex. Want to use the new Intel i7 platform, you 
may have to upgrade.)
3.  With Linux you need to install these things too.  The difference is 
you don't need to get out on the 'net and fetch them, most distributions 
automatically install them.  Even then, not everything you list is 
installed by default.  You may want to pull compilers and math software 
out of the list, these are fairly specialized apps that most users don't 
and won't use.  Heck, some people won't even know what they are.

You may want to careful about pushing your ideals on your readers.  Your 
ideal file manager and mine are probably  not the same.  Not everyone 
thinks Firefox is the ultimate browser.  Oh, and IE7 does have tabbed 
browsing.  Also, unless your distro (or its installer) configures it, 
iptables is wide open by default.  I believe that even by default, XPs 
firwall is on and configured to block incoming connections by default.

I'm not looking to start a war, just being a pain in the ---.

David f.

Manouch Zartoshtian wrote:
> Hi again!
>
> I am writing the first part of the articles on Linux as an 
> introduction to Install-Fest. If you have the clearance to share your 
> blog, I would be very much interested to use it (BTW, the articles 
> will be in Persian).
>
> After giving lots of thought and contemplation, I have decided to 
> devote the first article almost entirely to Windows. The idea is to 
> show that by adopting Windows, users are giving up _a lot_. Here are 
> the few points I have come up with so far:
>
>     * 1. Upgrading is at the mercy of the company, MS here, and the
>       users have almost no control over when the new version would be
>       out, which features it would support, and how much it would cost
>       to switch to the new version.
>     * 1.1 Consequently, many new features in hardware and/or software
>       world are just not being supported for years until finally the
>       new OS comes out, e.g. 64bit architecture, transparency, ...
>     * 2. As a normal process of upgrading, users _have to_ upgrade
>       their hardware as well, almost forcefully.
>     * 3. After installing the OS, Windows, are are left with an
>       incomplete system. You will normally need to install:
>
>
>         * a. Firewall
>         * b. A normal filemanager (I am still bewildered why Windows
>           is not offering a decent filemanager)
>         * c. A decent internet browser (imagine people stuck with IE6
>           or 7 for years who were deprived from tab browsing and ...)
>         * d. Media players, recorders, ...
>         * e. Archivers/back up programs
>         * f. document viewers, e.g. PDF, DJVU
>         * g. A decent AntiVirus/AntiTrojan/Antispyware/...
>         * h. Office suite
>         * i. compiler
>         * j. mathematics related softwares
>         * k. **** parental control **** (I am so appreciative of
>           dansguardian that my child is only allowed to surf in Linux
>           even though she could use Windows for other tasks)
>
>
>
>     I will appreciate comments, suggestion, ... with this very first
>     article.
>
>     Thanks again,
>     Mostafa
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:50:09 -0500
> From: LSatenstein at TEC-CENTERS.COM
> To: mlug at listserv.mlug.ca
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Install fest, need help, thanks!
>
> I wrote a blog comparing the linux open source path to the Microsoft 
> path.  If my employer does not want to publish it, then I will donate it.
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Leslie
>
>  
>
> Leslie Satenstein
> Senior Technical Analyst
> Research Analyst Group
> *Technology Evaluation Centers
> *Tel: (514) 954-3665, ext.260
> lsatenstein at tec-centers.com <mailto:lsatenstein at tec-centers.com>
> www.technologyevaluation.com <http://www.technologyevaluation.com/>
>
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>
> *From:* mlug-bounces at listserv.mlug.ca 
> [mailto:mlug-bounces at listserv.mlug.ca] *On Behalf Of *Manouch Zartoshtian
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:22 PM
> *To:* mlug at listserv.mlug.ca
> *Subject:* [MLUG] Install fest, need help, thanks!
>
>  
>
> Hello list!
>
> I talked to one of the members on #mlug and got encouraged to announce 
> it here in the list. I am only a Linux user with strong belief on its 
> concept and the underlying philosophy. I usually do not miss the 
> tinniest opportunity to make a case in favor of Linux. Once I did a 
> presentation on Ubuntu marketing strategies etc and the business 
> people who did not know anything about OpenSource or Linux for that 
> matter, were kind of confused about being free and making profits but 
> I am sure I caught their attention and now most of them know Ubuntu 
> and what it means ;)
>
> Anyways, my new endeavour is to introduce Linux into the Iranian 
> community of Montreal (there are certainly many who use Linux in their 
> work or universities but my main target is the average Joe). To this 
> end, I am going to firstly publish a few articles as introduction to 
> Linux and afterwards announce the Install-Fest (around april 2009).
>
> What I would like to ask you guys is:
>
> 1. Any help with regard the articles: (statistics comparing Linux with 
> Windows or MacOS, cons and pros of either OSes, ...)
> 2. Any help I could get with the install-fest event (experts willing 
> to participate, ideas of how to organize such an event - I have no 
> experience but have googled around to learn a bit from other LUGs in 
> the US or Europe, ...)
>
> I'll send further emails as soon as something new comes up and 
> hopefully we could make it happen with your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Mostafa
>
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