[MLUG] net neutrality and videotron

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Nicholas Accad escreveu:
> I would hate to be in your shoes when you argue the word "obscene" Leslie.
>
> This is an extremely relative/subjective thing, obscenity should never
> be a valid reason for blocking content.
>
> Take for example my musical tastes, that vary all the way from thrash
> metal to funk. Would you consider a band like Gwar to be obscene? What
> about Prince? (Sexy M.F. anyone?). Honestly, my response is "Who the
> f*** do you think you are to judge MY tastes?"
>
>
> I agree with you, who decides? And the answer is "Me", I decide what I
> get to watch, if there is something that I do not agree with, I simply
> do not watch it, or find a way to block it MYSELF, not impose my rules
> on anyone else.
>   

Parents DO decide (must decide) what kids get to watch !! And again, as 
you said, this decision must be made by the "end user". Sure we can have 
softwares to help us 'protecting' our children, but nothing is better 
that good parent surveillance  on what the little ones are doing, at 
least before they become teenagers ....


> Blocking ANY content on ANY level beyond the personal one is wrong,
> NONE should have any moral authority over anyone else, it is as simple
> as that.
>
> Now back to Videotron, although I am a relatively happy customer (they
> are not blocking torrent.. yet), they would definitely lose a lot of
> ground if the start blocking or shaping anything. I am sure someone
> from VTL will read this, so please, be careful what you do.
>
> We need a body that will enforce rules on behalf of the users, is
> there such a thing? A consumers' rights organization? The CRTC has
> been effectively declawed, what is the alternative?
>
> -nick
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Leslie Satenstein <lsatenstein at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> The problem is that porn is recognized as obscene and rightly so, but who is to judge works of art, nudes, or who decides what is right. It may be wrong as to Judeo-Christian values, but OK for other religions.
>>
>> (beheadings are one example that came to mind)
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca>
>>> Subject: Re: [MLUG] net neutrality and videotron
>>> To: "Montreal Linux Users Group" <mlug at listserv.mlug.ca>
>>> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:25 PM
>>>       
>>>> One of the more interesting responses came from an ISP
>>>>         
>>> called
>>>       
>>>> Videotron, which told the CRTC that controlling access
>>>>         
>>> to content
>>>       
>>>> "peut être bénéfique non seulement pour les
>>>>         
>>> utilisateurs de services
>>>       
>>>> Internet mais pour la société en
>>>>         
>>> général"—that is, "could be
>>>       
>>>> beneficial not only to users of Internet services but
>>>>         
>>> to society in
>>>       
>>>> general."
>>>>         
>>>> As examples of such benefits, Videotron mentioned the
>>>>         
>>> control of spam,
>>>       
>>>> viruses, and child pornography. It went on to suggest
>>>>         
>>> that graduated
>>>       
>>>> response rules—kicking users off the 'Net after
>>>>         
>>> several accusations of
>>>       
>>>> copyright infringement—could also be included as a
>>>>         
>>> benefit to society
>>>       
>>>> in general.
>>>>         
>>> The worst part is not only that the above is slippery
>>> slope, but I don't
>>> know of any situation where the techniques under
>>> consideration (traffic
>>> shaping, charging for "internet broadcasting",
>>> ...) have been used or
>>> even could be used for the above goals.
>>>
>>> I.e. it's a misrepresentation.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Stefan
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