[MLUG] Cloud Computing

[Yanik Doucet]

Whatever happens, whatever the next big thing is, I'm not worried
about my future as *nix geek. The main reason I'm into this field is
it's always changing and evolving.  I learn new things everyday, and I
love it.

I base my career on 2 simple facts I was once told;

1. Adapt or die
2. No guts, no glory

If we're going cloud crazy, I'll be there making sure your cloud is up
and running.





On 4/8/11, Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenstein at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Jared Brick <jared.brick at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Jared Brick <jared.brick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Cloud Computing
> To: "Montreal Linux Users Group" <mlug at listserv.mlug.ca>
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 11:40 AM
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> I see a definite shift in the way companies are/will do business.
> Should companies put their data in other companies hands? Well they already
> do! They use Windows/Redhat/Oracle, they outsource half their staff, they
> give the email addresses of all their customers to epsilon, etc. Offloading
> server maintenance, system reliability, redundancy and performance tuning
> seems like a pretty logical step. And I don't think this is simply on-demand
> computing, think Google apps for your domain or salesforce.com. There are
> plenty of web based, outsourced apps in every vertical.
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> Most publicly traded companies have to focus on their core competencies, and
> keep operational costs low. For smaller companies the barrier of entry is
> much lower.
> Yes there needs to be sys admin to maintain those servers "in the cloud",
> but the ratio is way off. Not 5 to 1, more like 1000 to 1. Yes there needs
> to be a "tech guy" in the company to ensure this is in place, but he doesn't
> have to be as knowledgeable, and can easily be outsourced. A large service
> company like IBM can come in and do what integration and management is left.
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> Does it cost more? No way I would accept such a premise. How often do you
> over spec a server for the once a quarter peak loads? How good is your
> uptime? How quickly can you replace parts? How quickly can you move entire
> datacenters? Why bother maintaining a mail server? Why bother maintaining a
> CRM system? How many people are you paying to do this work that has nothing
> to do with your core business?
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> I'm not saying that SA work is going to disappear, but in 10-15 years I'm
> sure demand will be far lower than the supply.
> *Full disclosure: I work for a prominent "cloud" company. But I assure you
> my opinions are my own!
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> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Patricia Campbell <triciamontreal at gmail.com>
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> I don't necessarily agree.  It can be cost effective if you need it on a
> regular basis.  With the prices the way they are you pay for what you need
> when you need it depending on the use / security etc it may be the most cost
> effective.  In the case I sited it would be, it would also be more
> flexible.
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> Unless, like NRC you are using your facilities to capacity, then it is
> worthwhile to create a private cloud.
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:23 AM, spam spammer <nospamormorespam at gmail.com>
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> On 7 April 2011 00:10, Nick Sklav <sklav at teksavvy.com> wrote:
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> Here is a nice read similar to what Patricia was mentioning, This
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> company got the aprox 10,000 cores running in an amazon cloud for 8
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> hours at the cost of aprox 9000$. And finished his project in that time
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> frame so I guess the cloud is more than just a storage server ;)
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> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/040611-linux-supercomputer.html
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> Quite true, when you need that computing power once in a blue moon. But  not
> if you need it regularly! Which I think was the initial point.
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> Leslie sadly says
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> From the way the automobile industry has transitioned, I see the parallel in
> the transition to cloud computing.
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> Today cars are very reliable, and most of them are dealer maintained, in
> lieu of the corner garage that has disappeared or is in the process of doing
> so.
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> Sadly, the in-house data centre for small and medium businesses is going to
> go the similar way -- to the cloud.
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> The cloud will provide the business with an ERP system that will include the
> activities from sales-quote to Accounts receivable, and CRM.  What the
> business will maintain are it's data links to the cloud, and even there, it
> is possible that many applications will be tablet based.  Salesmen will not
> have to come to the office, except to collect new samples and for regular
> meetings.
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> So, the in-house server park may become a lonely in-house server pair (one
> machine to back up the other)..   It is time for Sysadmins to learn process
> control and other technological IT based functions for a new career.
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> Regards
>  Leslie
>  Mr. Leslie Satenstein
> 40 years in IT and going strong.
> Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
> and tomorrow will be even better.
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